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Frequency/Time

“It is interesting to note that there is something in our head that knows how to walk, while we are not consciously aware of it. It is sobering to recognize that there is something in our head that that understands chaotic theory in 13 dimensions, AND CAN MANIPULATE IT, real time.” – el Loco Gringo

“So far all the discussion of sound has centered on its description as fluctuations in air pressure over time. The representation of sound in the time domain is important to understand, but in some ways it is also awkward. For instance, the frequency of a sound is one of its most important physical properties, but determining frequency from a waveform requires making measurements of time intervals and then doing arithmetic. Indeed, for many complex waveforms, where multiple sinusoids of various frequencies are simultaneously present, it is often unclear where the intervals to be measured begin and end. The frequency domain provides an alternative description of sound in which the time axis is replaced by a frequency axis. In the frequency domain, sounds are represented in a frequency by amplitude and/or phase diagram. “ – ASEL

“It’s only complicated if you’re thinking backwards” – el Loco Gringo

Do not go wobbly on me here. Do not allow your mind to boggle. Uncle Walter will make it all better. It is the concept which is important not the math. Indeed the math is irrelevant.

Top down thinking assumes that the time domain is reality and the frequency domain is imaginary. As there is much more information to be gained in the frequency domain it is easier to convert the time domain to the frequency domain, get the answer, (in the frequency domain the answer “just is”) and then convert it back. However, this logic tree is fallacious.

Bottom up thinking shows that the frequency domain is reality and the time domain is imaginary. Indeed, a mathematician capable of thinking in the frequency domain (should such a person be possible) might well wonder why in the world would anyone be interested in so limited a concept as an imaginary “time”. (As I wonder why people are so dumb) The reason of course is that in the time domain information can be categorized. Looking at the header time>frequency>time the calculations cancel out and we are left with frequency IE Reality. In fact, the concept of math is, in and of itself, an artifact, a method of categorizing, quantifying, putting things in baskets.

In fact, EVERYTHING we perceive is only an interpretation of what we see. The shadows Plato was talking about.

Sometimes when we can’t make sense out of something we assume that we are dumb. We do not think of the possibility that perhaps there is no sense there. This should set off a flag, but it doesn’t.

NOW is the time to set the algorithm. The “goal” you were looking for in your logic tree. NOW is the time to use top down thinking. NOW you can start with “The frequency domain is reality” and work downwards to see what that implies. (And the implications are staggering) NOW you can put things in baskets. NOW you can quantify, sort, collate, dissect and mangle the data. NOW you can use the scientific method. (not just yet tho)

As profound as this is, the concept of the ANN is profounder.

“A world of beautiful, loving, compassionate people” – Jill Bolte Taylor

That is my gift to humanity – el Loco Gringo

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You are missing the points. (there are two) As far as I can see the last person to understand the nature of the universe was Plato. There is not one tip of the iceberg but two seperate and discinct tips of two seperate and distinct icebergs. I’ll try another analogy, (I’ve lost count how many that is) we’ll keep this with scientists studying reindeer herders. In the west the scientists use digital (top down)computers to analyze the movements of said reindeer herders. In russia they use analog (bottom up) computers to analyze the same. The more focused the view the closer these results compare but the more difuse the view the more these results diverge. As long as we remain within the narrow window we evolved to perceive the world through, the results are fairly consistant, or at least not inconsistant. Neither result is right, neither is wrong. To obtain the optimum result, however, the results must be compared, and discrepancies understood. The problem, Mr Ted is not which view is right, but which is less wrong in regard the particular problem being analyzed. “If we apply the top down result what does the bottom up result tell us about what will happen?” The western approach will kill off the herd, the russian approach will starve the nenet”? The nenete approach works. The Russians think the west is wrong, the west thinks the russians are wrong. But what neither realizes is that they are both wrong. The reindeer herders behave as they do because the results of the two computers they are using (inside the skull) give consistent results when they behave as they do. you are de-bugging the wetware (taking things apart, differentiating whatever) trying to figure it out, whereas the reindeer herders are differentiating AND integrating, comparing the results and acting accordingly. Non-adherants to dogma are called heretics, by the way.

The right mind is basically a data accumulation correlation device, (inclusionary) while the left mind is primarily a data discarding analysis mechanism (exclusionary) so you’re right . The scientific method can’t prove shit, it can only disprove something.

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The UAA Complex Systems Group presents Dr. Ron Eglash. Self-organization has become an increasingly important phenomenon in both the natural sciences and engineering. Self-assembly of carbon “bucky balls” are critical to nanotechnology; self-organizing swarms of insects are modeled in biology and robotics, and so on. But recursive loops in which things govern themselves are also foundational to society. Democracy is the people governing the people. Social networks in both physical life and Internet domains arise by self-assembly, and some decentralized indigenous societies build self-similar architecture. Can self-organization lead us to a more just and sustainable future?

A neuro-scientist has cultured rat brain cells into an amorphous mass of neurons. By sticking wires, connected to I/O devices, into this mass he was able to build a robot that was able to learn. He found that the neurons immediately connected and started communicating with each other. Similar results are obtained with stroke and brain damage victims.

Harald C. Ott, a researcher now at Massachusetts General Hospital, took all the cells off a rat heart, leaving only a framework behind. His team then put rat stem cells onto this scaffold, whereupon the cells self-organized and the heart began to beat. Turns out life happens, and we are just learning the rules on how to program it.” – Foreign Policy Newsletter

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This is a new category highlighting what I consider to be seminal concepts defining reality. The first is an exchange between Emile and Anon. Anon uses the standard block of idiots of dismissing something they don’t understand by sprinkling “pixie dust” on the argument claiming the antogonist is obviously crazy or ill informed. The use of the word “obvious” is a pretty surefire way to identify an idiot, having no place in inquiry. NOTHING should be obvious. Please do not dismiss what I’m saying by using shortcut thinking. Not only did Emile cage the cat, he put lipstick on it. If you don’t understand what is being said, maybe you should switch from cosmology to cosmetology.

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Hi, Mr Ted,
i’m lovin’ it. I’ll kick start this. My observations are that this same intrinsic/extrinsic dynamic that exists between the individual and society is replicated inside the skull. (if it hasn’t been hijacked)

Consider;
>Kirby’s formulation is;

Kirby >“The mantra of the extrinsic[-intrinsic] modeler might be “my community needs me, my community creates me”

Ted > For me, the term ‘community’ would imply ‘nature’ or ‘the world’ so that we might equally say; “the world needs me, the world creates me”

Walt > I will add to that the extrinsic/intrinsic model would imply to me “the sub-conscious needs me, the sub-conscious creates me.”

So who’s right, Ted, Kirby or Walt?  The answer is yes. The unconsidered question.

Triadic – a chord of three tones consisting of a root with its third and fifth and constituting the harmonic basis of tonal music

In this particular word game, I view the universe as an interlocking system of “chord’s” constituting intrinsic/extrinsic and interface?. So my particular “chord” is tuned to achieve harmony with Mr Kirby’s “chord” which in turn is tuned to achieve harmony with Mr Ted’s chord. (or should be, but isn’t)

An interlocking system of systems. My “three ended length of string” each “pair” being a intrinsic sub-set of the next pair.

Western civilization has turned off the “extrinsic” aspect of all elements of all systems within society. (obviously we can’t turn off the moon)

And so, preferring to leave physics and math to those who are interested in such things.

I’ll watch

PS, while listening to PBS, I heard an interview with Bob Dylan.  He was discussing his new book “Nashville Croon”, A musical phenomenon which only genetically related singers could harmonize.   He used the Browns singing 3 bells as an example.  eLG flagged it as important.  Now I know why.  Ronny Brown sang the first, and his sisters the 3rd and 5th sub-harmonics. They describe it as inter-weaving. They be hetrodynin’. Dunno about that genetic thing, that’s odd.

This is the 1st


This is the 2nd

And this is the 3rd (orbital, newton)

The top graphic illustrated said waves flectorizing off walls.  These walls ARE Intrinsic, apartness, individuation, our view when stepping back from reality.  If permanent this IS the western worldview.

A centered person can view the world with (intrinsic) or without (extrinsic)  these walls.  An idiot can’t.

I really wish Plato and Pythagoras could have talked to each other.

This is the “miracle of music

Or…………I could be full of shit, I am crazy don’t you know?

walt

The Were-Idiot

A journey to Erewhon.

Throughout history the centered have been persecuted, demonized as heretics they were killed by a “stake through the heart” which is a euphamism for impalement.

I submit this exerpt found here.

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“A centered’s thoughts are governed by his own truth, an idiot’s thoughts are governed by someone elses truth.” – el Loco Gringo


This is the stupidity you speak of. An idiot has no “me”. No inner voice that whispers “back off” when someone else tries to occupy “rent free space” in their mind. They become zombies, robots, hollow, golems pretending to be wise, clanking around in this meaningless ant warren of a society we inhabit. They are, in fact, without volition.

The centered, being pragmatic, understand and accept the ambiguity of the situation, pretending to be idiots, doing what ever it takes to survive but maintaining their individuation, however surreptitiously.

Then there are the nexialists, what Maslow called the transcendents. They understand and do not accept the ambiguity of the situation, and they’re going to do something about it. Their minds have not been hijacked.

When religion was replaced by capitalism as the new dogma impalement was replaced by de-tenuring.  That is, if they’re not killed outright. This doesn’t really have anything to do with heresy, per se, but is a threat to the hyper-males’s primacy in the poontang  and bananna receiving departments. Kumbaya Le Cadre Noir

I speak now to the “centered pretending to be idiots”.  For reasons of privacy, I’ll remain vague.  Recently I was commenting on a blog run by a physics teacher.  She responded in the comments describing my views as “metaphysical bullshit”  (she was much more polite of course)  Privately she sent me an e-mail with this link MCAS, and the comment “you might want to check this guy out for a non-lunatic (sic) view.”  The point, gentlemen, is it doesn’t matter what he says, he is a heretic.

This, gentlemen, is what we’re facing.  Her asshole had puckered up in anticipation of the metaphorical stake.

This IS the malaise in society.  The driving force of society that hasn’t changed since the paleolithic.

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“During the full moon of Aquarius, the mild mannered by day were-idiot shape shifts into the animated anime atavar paifu and enters the pointless forest

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Hi Mr Ted

thus, we can get rid of the ‘three’ components in your model and get back to ‘two’ (a conjugate pair) if we put FIELD (an orchestrator of behavior) in precedence over FORCE (a driver of behavior). What’s with this conjugate pair obsession you have?

Just for clarification, the three components is not a model.  Everything else is, but two minds to me is a fact.  If there are only two components then the vedics are right and the universe doesn’t exist except in my mind (nor does your field, by the way).  I’ve known that since childhood, learned to keep it to myself.  I’m just aware of mine, most people aren’t.  As far as I can tell everyone has two minds, the other explanation is that the sole purpose of the universe is to play a cruel hoax on me.

Depends, if you’re talking about why mankind behaves as it does conjugate pair is valid. If you’re talking about why I behave as I do it won’t work. Your talking about two ends of the spectrum. I behave as I do because I am balancing the long term (yin, mythos) and short term (yang, logos ) evaluations of the environment for optimum effect and least impact. If you were to apply this conjugate pair concept to each individual we would have a society full of idiots (granted we’re close to that now) of either the ABF or TBF variety. You, My dear Mr Ted, are a data point that disproves your own theory. “hoist on your own petard” (Damn I’ve always wanted to say that) You are not an idiot, you have blown your own argument out of the water.

I’m a little unclear why you think my model conflicts in any way with your primacy of nature model (ether, great mysterious, space time continuum, tao whatever).

Patterns form in my right mind as the results of the correlation of non inconsistent data. I use words that hopefully resonate in your right mind and form similar patterns. (similar, not identical, similar) Idiots can’t do this.

For instance Mr Kirby describes my normal mind as “centered with both pipelines going” Yup!

My bottom up thinking becomes “collecting dots for later connection” yup!

There is no question these patterns have been transferred. He is not an idiot. Whether he agrees or not is the lesser issue.  I do so enjoy an intellectual drunken brawl with broken bottles in a piss stained alley.

As to models

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“what this says is that the blank space on the paper (what goes on in space) is primary; i.e. the field is primary

to me, this is the key point that is hard for people to retain because, i believe there is an innate ‘religious belief’ built into everyone’s worldview. that is, they are either going to implicitly assume that the ultimate first cause creative influence on the development of form, behaviour and organization is EITHER FORCE …. OR…. FIELD (there is a two-sided conjugate relation here but there is phasing and relative lag and lead that has spatial connotations.”MrT

Hi Mr Ted,


Tell your Lakota worldview to suck on the peace pipe for a few minutes and listen to what the paleface is babbling about with the intention of straightening him out at the end of the discussion.  We’re going into a learning circle, I’ve got the stick, it’s my turn to talk and your turn to listen.

Keep in mind I am talking about the thought process of thinking of waves and electron movement. There are 2 flaws here, a perceptual flaw and a logical flaw.  i.e. what we see is wrong, and what we think about what we see is wrong.  I would like to expand the concept of the transformer to include radio, a radio station and receiver being merely a transformer with an air gap.  As to your transformer, the secondary winding (A,C) is vector driven, (right mind, bottom up, yin, mother earth, female whatever) in the frequency domain.  the tertiary winding (B,C) is time driven (left mind, top down, yang, father sky, male whatever.) in the time domain.  This particular transformer is ENTIRELY INSIDE THE SKULL, reality (primary 1,2) is outside the skull. Now I’ll talk about the blank space on the paper,  that is the real primary so in effect we have a primary (tao, ether, GOD whatever) a secondary (yin, mythos, god whatever) and a tertiary (yang, logos, religion whatever)  depending on your worldview, the secondary (yin) is confused for reality TBF, or the tertiary (yang) is confused for reality or both IBF is confused for reality.  Note that the tertiary is a subset of the secondary.  If you want to think of it in platonic terms the mythos (yin) is shadows and the logos (yang) is shadows of shadows. none of this stuff is reality, so if you think of this transformer as a radio station it is not broadcasting a wave but modulating the wave that is already there.  (Tao, ether, GOD whatever.)  The duality view you prefer is not germane, use whatever you’re comfortable with.  Note the big GOD and the little god. (the big hoochie koochie and the little hoochie koochie)

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“If you can’t see it, it isn’t real” – Aristotelian Brain Fart

Maybe if I use itty bitty words, and teeny weeny ideas in real short sentences and some pretty pictures I can convey this concept within your 8 second attention span. This is high school shit people.

Conventional wisdom that electron movement causes electro-magnetic waves is

In reality the electro-magnetic waves cause electron movement. Everybody knows this. Nobody understands this. Your brain is running in reverse. The plane is flying backwards. Reverse the pitch of the prop.

The universe is of a wave nature. period. end of story.

The top graphic shows conventional wisdom.

The bottom graphic shows reality.

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What we perceive of reality is a sub-set of forming patterns in the right mind in the frequency domain. The is interpreted in the left mind by a process equivalent to the Fourier transform in the time domain, (the output is quantified, a dimension is thrown away and time, color and sound are added) If this data is reintegrated what is left is less than reality by itself, since it is quantified it is less than what we originally perceived, and even less than reality. This re-integration is confused for reality in physics (and all observations). It is what I call the Aristotelean brain fart, a built in logic flaw in the brain, which leads to such silliness as parallel universes, quantum mechanics. In physics all physicists know that the universe is of a wave nature, but do not understand it, and continue to act as if the universe was of a particle nature. In addition, integral calculus IS bottom up thinking as applied to a cartesian model and differential calculus IS top down thinking as applied to a cartesian model. BUT the universe ain’t cartesian. Newton used god to balance the equations. Modern science, Eschewing god, uses quarks, parallel universes, multi dimensions to balance the equations. Ted Lumley posed the question “does the universe make electrons or do electrons make the universe?” setting aside for the moment that electron is an invalid concept for what is a wave (whorl, node, unfolding in the now?) sorry, there are no words for this. the answer is yes. so at one end of the Physics tunnel we are looking through end points are set by our inability to contain the entirety inside the skull. one endpoint is quantum mechanics, the other is parallel universes. my feeling is the two are just two different perspectives, results of the Aristotelean brain fart. I think i said this better in a comment which I posted. just a minute. Ah found it thanks for waiting. the topic of the thread was actually duality but the minds work the same way no matter what question is posed, that just depends on what tunnel you’re looking through, and what wetware you’ve been imprinted with.

http://ellocogringo.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/the-circle-jerk/

Please note I am not talking about physics per se, but how the mind distorts how we think about physics. I prefer to leave physics and math to those who are interested in such things. But whatever we look at the whole is less than the WHOLE. To complete the thought, no yoga devotee is confused by the two slot problem but is baffled by the scientific method, which he views as circular reasoning. IE start with the answer and differentiate it to reach the question. If you’re going to build a bridge calculus is perfectly acceptable. If you are trying to determine the nature of the universe it is inadequate. Vector math MAY give a better answer, dunno, I’m not a mathematician. but it will still not be WHOLE.

the brain is the instrument we use to observe the universe and what is happening inside the skull must be taken into account.

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Hi Mr Sid
Frequency is a squishy word used in this context. By that I mean it is a word being used to describe something to which it doesn’t apply. Like saying “blue is fuzzy” or “green tastes sweet”. Simply the universe doesn’t have a resonant frequency. It has a quality which the right mind perceives as vectors with a twist, which the left mind interprets as a tone (if in the audio range) which mathematicians have assigned an artificial time to so as to display on a piece of paper in an xy graph a sinusodial wave form. it ain’t real. it’s illusionary. That’s where einstein screwed up, for instance in e=mc^2 the c ain’t real.

keeping that in mind.

The perception of sound and light are culture specific. a color, take blue, I’ve got a sample of that. An oriental sees what a occidental sees as white, as a faint blue. What the oriental sees as white an occidental sees as dingy. That’s the “whitening agent” in soap. If you look at powdered soap, (in the us) you’ll see little blue beads scattered among the flakes. that’s blue dye. At first you may be inclined to think that there must be some kind of genetic anomaly in occidentals BUT, oddly enough, an oriental raised in the US shares the american perception of white. This leads me to conclude that if mom tells her child the diaper is white, the interpretation of the perception is, by god, white, even though an oriental would see it as dingy. (and a physicist would know it ain’t) Any physicist knows what white is.

words (in the critical stage) affect the way we think.

So, the resonant frequency of the universe would be different in the east and the west. Not too likely, I would think.

This is the edge perceptual problem. If the scale is zoomed out enough to see the earth is round, you can’t read the writing in a book. It’s why people thought the earth was flat for so long. What he is seeing is the resonant frequency of the left mind’s interpretation of the right mind’s perception of the universe. The perception’s probably right, the interpretation’s probably wrong.

Or…………I could be full of shit, I am crazy don’t you know
walt

Prestigitation

Time is but one of a broad suite of interdependent illusions that we were given by creation/evolution/unfolding in the now that hide reality. In and of itself, thats not a bad thing. What is bad is confusing this suite of illusions for reality. This confusion, may, i fear lead to our extinction.

We view the world through a narrow window, perhaps 20 to 500 Thz.  Even this narrow bandwidth is culturally dependent.  what is perceived as rotating tensors is actually of a wave nature.  One dimension is thrown away and time is added which helps us make sense of motion.  Likewise colorization helps us discriminate predator and prey from the background.  Likewise sound helps us make sense of vibrations in the lower range.  But sound, time and colorization are artifacts of the mind.  they aren’t real.  But we think they are.

These illusions are reinforced by dogma in the form of religion, education and societal imprinting.   This dogma causes us to see ourselves as apart and distinct from reality.   It removes our connectness with the universe and our fellow man.  It gives us an us vs them mentality.  A black/white interpretation of perceptions whereas the norm is shades of grey and the black/white, true/false dichodomy is the exception.  In society this causes us to do even more of whatever caused the problem to begin with, a positive (in a negative sense) feedback loop that causes the society to spin out of control.  A disjunct between the individual and society. Anomie.  The hole in the soul.

If we prefer to view the world in a spiritual sense, religious imprinting prevents us from experiencing god for ourselves.  If in the scientific sense education prevents us from  seeing the univese for ourselves.  Whether you call “what’s out there” god or the universe doesn’t really matter.

They are, after all, the same thing.

And we are part of it.

“Religion keeps us from seeing god, science keeps us from seeing the universe and language keeps us from seeing that religion keeps us from seeing god and that science keeps us from seeing the universe.” – Mr Ted

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“I understand your reservations with regard to the Forester quote – and I think that your concerns are valid.  However, I also “trust” that if you read it with an open heart, you can find a lot to like about it as well.” – john

Yup, that’s that exclusiory/parallel mode I was talking about. A western person with an uncrippled brain muses (bottom up) in terms of an additive boolean network, IE with a,b,c as input the output can be either x or y or z. Mr Ted muses (parallel) in terms of a subtractive boolean network with inputs of a,b,c it can yield outputs of Neither x nor y nor z. On the other hand a western person thinks (top down) in terms of either a or b. Mr ted thinks (serial) in terms of x and y and z. the seeming confusion has more to do with the way the question is posed, and not the way it is answered.

As to the rest of this stuff. You all make noises about the limitations of the Aristotelian/Euclidean/Cartesian world view then IMMEDIATELY let a brain fart and slide back into the yin/yang wars. Please try to hold on to that intuition for more than a few seconds. You’re not talking about the nature of the world, you’re talking about thinking about the nature of the world. Mr ted has almost got it, and the rest of have almost got mr ted. And I despair, silent scream.

Aha! The human mind has an attention span of 8 seconds before it slides back into top down thinking. If you don’t nail a concept down in 8 seconds it’s gone. A new lexicon may work but would be cumbersome. Maybe a way to keep reminding us to focus our attention on the illusory nature of what we perceive. Perhaps a prefix to a Cartesian perception or a Aristotelian concept or a euclidean interpretation.  Mr Ted doesn’t have this problem. How odd.

Something like time to be read as null time means “what we perceive as time” is ?

or ►dimension to be read as null dimension means “what we interpret as dimension” is ?

or ►particles to be read as null particles means “what we think of as particles” is ?

ĀMath vector math, null a math, non aristotelian math

this may jar the thinking back to the question at hand.

I feel this issue goes past the immediate concerns and may affect the survival of the species.

walt

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mcluhan tied together

Submitted by emile on Thu, 2010-09-02 15:49.

mcluhan tied together anti-civilization and anti-science in his views on space (visual space {Euclidian] and acoustic space [non-euclidian]);

“If he’s civilized, he’s living in Euclidian space—closed, controlled, linear, static—abstracted from the world around him. Like language, it is an attempt to manipulate as well as interpret the world.” – Marshal Mcluhan, ‘The Global Village’.

science uses the convention of Euclidian space as default. Euclidian space is foundational to both civilization and untrustworthy scientific reasoning and beliefs. it banishes the female aspect of dynamics (there is no reciprocal disposition in Euclidian space) and it can’t handle simultaneous interdependence which is the general case in nature. the marine food web involves simultaneous interdependence between man, fish, plankton and phytoplankton. men eat fish that eat plankton that eat phytoplankton that eat sunbeams (and who came up with the phrase ‘pissing in the ocean’ to connote something that didn’t make any difference?). food webs have nothing to do with exponential curves as used by Malthus. Mcluhan cites Dennis Gabor (nobel prize in physics for holography) in regard to the mal-thesis of malthus; “Exponential curves grow to infinity only in mathematics. In the physical world they either turn around and saturate, or they break down catastrophically.”

species populations are buffered within webs of interdependencies. counting the growth (exponential) of rabbits in your back yard (or in the australian outback) and talking about ‘global carrying capacity’ trivializes the dynamics of nature. a female salmon lays between 2500 and 7500 eggs. half of these will be females which mature in four years. if we start off with only 10,000 salmon, at the end of the first four year cycle (using an average of 5000 eggs laid by each female), we will have 25 million in one four year generation and 62.5 trillion after two generations (eight years). after 5 generations (twenty years) the 976 quintillion salmon (each of the earth’s six billion humans will be allocated 162 billion fish apiece) will be swimming down broadway due to their bulk having significantly raised ocean levels. oh yes, and what about the web of interdependencies and all that? someone else can deal with the secondary details, …. like malthus, i’m a ballpark figure kind of guy. i only deal in primary processes. KISS – keep it stupid simple is my motto, …or should that have been…uh, ..

the anti-civilization, anti-science combo makes some sense.

emile

Euclidian space is

Submitted by anon on Fri, 2010-09-03 03:42.

Euclidian space is foundational to both civilization and untrustworthy scientific reasoning and beliefs. it banishes the female aspect of dynamics (there is no reciprocal disposition in Euclidian space) and it can’t handle simultaneous interdependence which is the general case in nature. the marine food web involves simultaneous interdependence between man, fish, plankton and phytoplankton.

patent bullshit. presumably the words of someone intimidated by, but also unfamiliar with science. see the works of richard levins (especialy evolution in a changing environment, and his ‘loop analysis’ methods), for example, or much of the work in complexity in the santa fe research institute’s community (a heterogeneous and international group, with lots of socialist, commies and anarchists among them.)

mathematical and scientific models embody ideology, always. many scientists’ works serve bourgeois agendas, and many serve liberal agendas. however, some research agendas are radical in nature (haldane, kropotkin, levins and gould pop readily to mind), and it is not surprising that the methods of the latter are different than those of the former.

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No, neither intimidated nor

Submitted by emile on Fri, 2010-09-03 08:38.

No, neither intimidated nor unfamiliar with science but actively and intensively interested in exploring the source of limitations hidden in mathematical science. Goedel’s theorem tells us that we can’t trust finite systems of mathematics but it doesn’t tell us where to look to find the ‘holes’ or inconsistencies that arise. Others have probed that one, such as Poincaré who some claim developed an intuitive proof of Goedel’s theorem thirty years prior to Goedel doing it.

Be that as it may, a major hole in our logic (exposure to inconsistency) derives from our habit of using Euclidian space, one of the conventions that we use to frame our observations. We like it partly because it is “the simplest of all geometric spaces in the manner that a polynomial of degree one is simpler than a polynomial of degree two.” (Poincare). And we like it partly because it presents the things in it as local objects with their own local agency which is how we (western culture imprinted souls) like to think of ourselves.

Euclidian space is the space that accommodates Aristotelian either/or, black/white, good/evil linear thinking, so that when one imposes that logic on one’s observations, one is using that convention for space.

There are also non-euclidian space conventions wherein the general case is ‘gray’ and black and white are special cases of gray; i.e. ‘gray is the parent and black and white are two special needs children’. This arises in ‘strand-in-the-interdependent-web-of-life’ thinking where A and not.A are mutually inclusive. The me (A) that is is the spring in the matrix of springs is also, at the same time, the matrix of springs (not.A), as in a wave-dynamical space. The springiness (elasticity) is the primary thing and when you stretch it, opposite tensions (positive tension and negative tension) are born. These opposite tensions are the black and white children of the basically gray space.

This is the point that Heraclitus makes about opposites; i.e. they arise out of a unity by way of a hidden back-stretched connexion, as in the string and wooden arch of the bow (the bow is one thing, like a spring, that is capable of getting at odds with itself.

In our scientific default of the Euclidian space convention where A and not.A are mutually exclusive, there are two parents, ‘black’ and ‘white’ and the grays are their children.

Since we all use logic of one type or another, here we are talking about difference in how a person can think of themselves relative to the world they live in. This is how different cultures are born.

If you see yourself as a ‘strand-in-the-web-of-life’, in other words, as a ‘spring-in-a-matrix-of-springs’ (simultaneous mutual interdependence) then you are dealing with dynamics that are beyond the dynamics-rendering scope of Euclidian space. Euclidian space is constrained to accommodating EITHER local objects OR emptiness; i.e. ‘BEING’ or ‘non-BEING’ or, A that is mutually exclusive of not.A.

Science that uses the default of the Euclidian space convention thus forces everything into the categories of being and non-being (local objects with their own locally originating, internally directed behaviour, A, versus passive space, not.A). This is abstract idealization that is too restrictive for capturing the dynamics of nature that we actually experience. Motion is relative and to capture relativity, one has to switch to non-euclidian space conventions where we are not constrained by the black and white choice of ‘being’ and ‘non-being’. In non-euclidian space, for every assertive intrusion there is a simultaneous reciprocal, complementing accommodation (as in wave action). (imagine people populating the space on the surface of a sphere. when they scatter, they are at the same time gathering.)

How we think about our relationship with space plays a role in dividing us up into different cultures. For example, most of us believe that nature is more powerful than us, so how should we relate to and engage with nature. How would we engage with a very powerful force that arises such as Hitler? In Euclidian space based thinking there are three choices;

1. Capitulate and be submissive to the superior power. This will establish order in all the world which is good. This was advocated by King Edward VIII, the Duke of Windsor.

2. Fight against the other power and overcome it. This was advocated by Churchill.

3. Make a deal with them and like the Biblical lion and lamb, walk side-by-side into the future together, cooperating and in harmony. This was advocated by Chamberlain.

None of these make sense if one thinks in terms of non-Euclidian space where one sees oneself as a strand-in-the-interdependent-web; i.e. as a ‘spring-in-a-matrix-of-springs’ because there is no ‘mutual exclusivity’ in this view. It is a view where INTERDEPENDENCE or grayness predominates. One has to accept that strife is a constant companion in this geometry (when the US goes to war against Iraq, everyone else in the spring-matrix is shaken by it). So the ethic is to accept strife but move so as to cultivate harmony and balance. But to split the whole global population into two opposing factions A and not.A so as to try to achieve peace by absolute authority of A over not.A is insanity in the Amerindian cultural view (of course, Amerindian culture was not in vogue in Europe).

As historians of philosophy note, the natural primacy of gray where A = not.A that was maintained by Heraclitus, was missed by Aristotle (Aristotle didn’t even address it).

“Plato (‘Sophist’ 242D, DK 22 A.10) clearly distinguished between Heraclitus’ SIMULTANEOUS unity and plurality of the cosmos and Empedocles’ separate PERIODS of Love and Strife. At the same time, they are mentioned together as both alike in believing in the unity and plurality of the cosmos; and Aristotle’s coupling of the two might conceivably have been motivated by the Platonic comparison, the important distinction between them being overlooked. See also Guthrie, ‘History of Greek Philosophy’,HGP1, 455f, and 458, with further references, and D. WIggins, ‘Heraclitus’ conceptions of flux, etc.’ in Language and Logos, ed. Scholfield and Nussbaum (Cambridge, 1982), 1ff.”

Clearly, as the world headed for WWII people wanted to embrace the Germans and, at the same time, to kick them in the butt. And when Germany got its first taste of backlash, the German people wanted to kick the butt of the rest of the world and to embrace them at the same time (make allies, not slaves out of them. Hitler was deeply disappointed that he was rowing with his beloved English). If Germany were populated by Amerindians who would never subjugate themselves in a self-abnegating fashion to someone else’s authority, the rapid industrialization couldn’t have happened and neither could the widespread loyal submission to authority. These derived from Aristotelian logic.

Euclidian space can only bring order and organization to things by an approach that assumes that A and not.A are mutually exclusive; i.e. that ‘leader’ and ‘followers’ are mutually exclusive. In the non-euclidian space convention, everyone can be both leader and follower at the same time. If you are a spring in a matrix of springs, the A is in a conjugate relation with the not.A. As Mach’s principle which assumes space-matter relativity says; “The dynamics of the spring-matrix conditions the dynamic of the springs at the same time as the dynamics of the springs are conditioning the dynamics of the spring-matrix.”

If you consider yourself a spring in a spring matrix, you know that strife/conflict is going to be part of everyday life (you know that when your neighbour shakes up the dynamics of the milieu you both share inclusion in, you are inevitably be going to be shook up), but you would be nuts to think, in this space convention, that the way to peace and order was to try to take control of the world. That is a decidedly western Aristotelian notion that makes sense if you are using the Euclidian space convention.

Anarchists (some, at least) intuit that the relationship between self and other can benefit from getting out of the Aristotelian Euclidian space mind-trap.

emile

Trifecta

using plato’s model
1) reality (ether)
2) what we see of reality (shadows)
3) what we think of what we see  (mythos, logos)

1 is indeterminate

2 is perceived in the frequency domain and interpreted in the time domain. neither is reality

3 the perception is evaluated boolean, the interpretation is evaluated binary

“……..postulate the existence of a new form of matter, ether”  (Space/Time continuum)

As far as I can tell, I’m the only person who understands what Plato was saying.  He did pretty good when you consider that all he had to work with was earth, wind, fire and water.  But then he didn’t have his mind screwed up with the Aristotelian Brain Fart.  (A degree from MIT) Operating on the engineering level rather than the scientific level.  Fine for building bridges, but sucks for scientific enquiry.  Shadows Duality Einstein

The word is not the concept

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Paradigms

Just to put this in perspective. Inclusional People capable of understanding Emile in the A or B or C mode is .047% of the population. People capable of understanding Emile in the AB or AC or BC mode is 20% of the population. The rest are idiots. (used in the clinical sense)

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Chaotic

Chaos on the mind

“The time has come Dreamweaver said, to speak of many things’.of whereness, and whenness and gravity wells of white holes, lifts and strings” – el Loco Gringo

(Think complex fluid dynamics. ) Mathematically, chaos means deterministic behavior which is very sensitive to its initial conditions. In other words, infinitesimal perturbations of initial conditions for a chaotic dynamic system lead to large variations in behavior. Chaos is the study of dynamic systems and how they work.

The flapping of a single butterfly’s wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, when the atmosphere actually does diverge from what it would have done. So, in a month’s time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn’t happen. Or maybe one that wasn’t going to happen, does.

Chaotic systems consequently look random. However, they are actually deterministic systems governed by physical or mathematical laws (predictable in principle, if you have exact information) that are impossible to predict in practice beyond a certain point. (In practice, indeterminate)

Aspects of chaos show up everywhere around the world, from the currents of the ocean and the flow of blood through fractal blood vessels to the branches of trees and the effects of turbulence.

Holography is a natural consequence of chaos theory. Destruction of brain cells does not result in loss of memory, as seems intuitive, but the entire memory remains in the part that’s left. Only 2% of the mind is required for complete memory recall, (of course it will no longer be holographic). Fractal has come to mean any image that displays the attribute of self-similarity. Application of chaos theory to the mind requires the ability to think in 13 dimensions. But the ANN can.

A neuro-scientist has cultured rat brain cells into an amorphous mass of neurons. By sticking wires, connected to I/O devices, into this mass he was able to build a robot that was able to learn. He found that the neurons immediately connected and started communicating with each other.  Similar results are obtained with stroke and brain damage victims.

Rat Brain Robot1 Rat Brain Robot-2

An analogy would be a stream, with tributaries and estuaries, flows, undercurrents, whirlpools, eddies, waves, ripples. A rock thrown into this stream causes turbulence. This is an emotional problem.

Any questions to be addressed to Benoit Mandlebrot. Any answers to be addressed to me.  If you want to find out how the universe REALLY works, check out wave and motion.

Fractals Chaos HowChaosDrivesTheBrain AfricanFractals Wave&Motion HolographicMind MultiMind Perceptron TheLittleHoochieKoochie The BigHoochieKoochie Nostalgia TheRubberRuler Negentropy1 Negentropy2 Emergence Shadows VectorMath SquareEarth Calculus

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Time/Frequency domain

We have two cognitive minds each with it’s own logical and perceptual processing, synchronous and modulated by intensity. (weighting)” – el Loco Gringo

“It is interesting to note that there is something in our head that knows how to walk, while we are not consciously aware of it. It is sobering to recognize that there is something in our head that that understands chaotic theory in 13 dimensions, AND CAN MANIPULATE IT, real time.” – el Loco Gringo

“So far all the discussion of sound has centered on its description as fluctuations in air pressure over time. The representation of sound in the time domain is important to understand, but in some ways it is also awkward. For instance, the frequency of a sound is one of its most important physical properties, but determining frequency from a waveform requires making measurements of time intervals and then doing arithmetic. Indeed, for many complex waveforms, where multiple sinusoids of various frequencies are simultaneously present, it is often unclear where the intervals to be measured begin and end. The frequency domain provides an alternative description of sound in which the time axis is replaced by a frequency axis. In the frequency domain, sounds are represented in a frequency by amplitude and/or phase diagram. “ – ASEL

“It’s only complicated if you’re thinking backwards” – el Loco Gringo

Do not go wobbly on me here. Do not allow your mind to boggle. Uncle Walter will make it all better. It is the concept which is important not the math. Indeed the math is irrelevant.

Top down thinking assumes that the time domain is reality and the frequency domain is imaginary. As there is much more information to be gained in the frequency domain it is easier to convert the time domain to the frequency domain, get the answer, (in the frequency domain the answer “just is”) and then convert it back. However, this logic tree is fallacious.

Bottom up thinking shows that the frequency domain is reality and the time domain is imaginary. Indeed, a mathematician capable of thinking in the frequency domain (should such a person be possible) might well wonder why in the world would anyone be interested in so limited a concept as an imaginary “time”. (As I wonder why people are so dumb) The reason of course is that in the time domain information can be categorized. Looking at the header time>frequency>time the calculations cancel out and we are left with frequency IE Reality. In fact, the concept of math is, in and of itself, an artifact, a method of categorizing, quantifying, putting things in baskets.

In fact, EVERYTHING we perceive is only an interpretation of what we see. The shadows Plato was talking about.

Sometimes when we can’t make sense out of something we assume that we are dumb. We do not think of the possibility that perhaps there is no sense there. This should set off a flag, but it doesn’t.

NOW is the time to set the algorithm. The “goal” you were looking for in your logic tree. NOW is the time to use top down thinking. NOW you can start with “The frequency domain is reality” and work downwards to see what that implies. (And the implications are staggering) NOW you can put things in baskets. NOW you can quantify, sort, collate, dissect and mangle the data. NOW you can use the scientific method. (not just yet tho)

As profound as this is, the concept of the ANN is profounder.

“A world of beautiful, loving, compassionate people” – Jill Bolte Taylor

That is my gift to humanity – el Loco Gringo

Time/Freq RideOnTheWildSide Vibroseis Visualizations TimeTranslator Spectrum Emergence Geophysics Nostalgia Great Mysterious

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Building Blocks

Of Whatever

This is in response to your comment on the APN walt, you miss the point. what i am talking about cannot be broken down into two types of computation (bottom-up and top-down). i am talking about two different sources of behaviour, one is computational and the other is not. 1. either top-down digital computer analysis or bottom-up analogue computer simulation. 2. direct orchestration/organization of form, behaviour and organization by the conjugate habitat-inhabitant relation. the nenets let their behaviour be orchestrated the dynamics of the space they are included in (2), there is no computation, bottom-up or top-down in the process. if they reindeer move on (if the dynamic milieu they are in transforms), the nenets move on so as to sustain a resonant inner-outer relation. this is NOT the thought-informed purpose-directed behaviour that science (most science) constrains itself to. simulation (bottom-up analogue computation) is a replication of what may be going which does not give an understanding of how such behaviour unfolds. in order to understand how it unfolds one has to be included in the dynamic, in the manner that geese are sustain a resonant relation with the dynamic milieu they are conditioning. our form, behaviour, organization are not, at the base of it, thought-informed and purpose directed. in other words, our form, behaviour, organization do not have to be understood as pushing out of the interior of ourselves. in the overall scheme (natural order) of things, our emergent form, our behaviour and our collective organization is orchestrated/organized by the dynamics of the milieu that we are conditioning with our dynamics at the same time as its dynamics are conditioning our dynamics. this is the relationship between storm-cells and the flow of the atmosphere, and my view is that it is the relationship between the organism and its milieu; i.e. it is a continuing ‘coniunctio’. meanwhile, we can if we want ’see ourselves’ as a ‘thinking machine’ with locally originating thought-informed, purpose-directed form, behaviour, organization. if we do that makes us into a ‘thinking machine’ and we can think into ourselves two modes of thinking in our machine, bottom-up and top-down, but that is all confined to our thinking-machine view of self. if we suspend that (which mostly comes from language and abstractions), then we are free to let our behaviour and organization be orchestrated by the dynamics of the milieu in which we are included. our thinking machine view of ourself as a thinking machine is idealization that should not be confused for reality.

Answer
can’t you see you’re only working the logic half way? as is schrodinger. you are exibiting the same thought flaw, albeit in reverse, that you ascribe to your antagonists, the top downers, the yangers? i’ll try thinking machine, maybe i can get past the block. man is the only thinking machine, of the uncountable number of thinking machines that comprise the universe that can “view itself as a thinking machine.”. roughly halfway between the quanta thinking machine (electron analog?) and the big thinking machine (the universe) whatever words, concepts, analogies, visualizations etc you use you’ve got to put the snakes’s tail back in the snake’s mouth, else the logic is flawed. IF, and only if, you can identify the quanta thinking machine, you’ve got a wrap. a workable model from which the nature of the universe can be determined. However, this model is only one of many workable models, and, if accepted will be turned into dogma, a TRUTH instead of a truth, and be almost immediately shut down by the “scientific method”, and we will return to prosecution of metaphors. Plato, Newton, Eddington and Einstein could see the problem. As SAE says, we need to make a study of “and” that’s my point.

We often think that when we have completed our study of one we know all about two, because “two” is “one and one.” We forget that we still have to make a study of “and.” – Arthur Eddington

We have found a strange footprint on the shores of the unknown, and lo, it is us. – Arthur Eddington

got another hit on schrodinger’s “one mind”, elevating it to “best answer to date” halfway there.

Gotta look at the “and” big guy.

walt

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Lisi’s TOE

“In spite of having successfully used analysis (i.e. “taking things apart”) as a powerful tool for centuries, science is converging on the nondual. Cosmologists seek a first cause for the universe. Physicists look for the ultimate constituent of matter. Neurophysiologists attempt to correlate physiological observables with reported experiences of nonduality. Transpersonal psychologists investigate the effects of these experiences on human mental health. Deep ecologists explore the potential consequences of nondual understanding on long term global health. Mathematics practiced with love and devotion has been described as communion with the nondual Divine.” – SAND

Check this out, this is the pre-print for Lisi’s paper. I’ve read it and the logic and data seems valid, but it doesn’t “feel right” somehow. It does hold together and is not inconsistent. (that’s annoying) The flaw of course is his use of dimension (particularly 4th) The fact that it was largely ignored by mainstream physics adds further credibility in my mind. I’d say he was one step up from Plato. Notice he eschews calculus, as did Mr Milo and Mr Geoff.

also annoying was a person explaining evolution in hydraulic terms.

http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770?context=hep-th

“An Exceptionally Simple Theory of Everything is a preprint proposing a basis for a unified field theory, which attempts to describe all known fundamental interactions in physics, and to stand as a possible theory of everything. The preprint was posted to the physics arXiv by Antony Garrett Lisi in November 2007,[1] and was not submitted to a peer-reviewed scientific journal.[2] The title is a pun on the algebra used, the Lie algebra of the largest “simple,” “exceptional” Lie group, E8.

Lie groups

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The theory “received accolades from a few physicists amid a flurry of media coverage,” but also “widespread skepticism.”[3] Scientific American reported in March 2008 that the theory was being “largely but not entirely ignored” by the mainstream physics community, with a few physicists picking up the work to develop it further.[4] In a critical paper[5] published in Communications in Mathematical Physics, Jacques Distler and Skip Garibaldi state that Lisi’s theory, and a large class of related models, cannot work.

As of May 2008 Lisi’s preprint was the most downloaded article in the arXiv.[6]” – wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Exceptionally_Simple_Theory_of_Everything

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Standing Wave

The source is here> StandingWave

While this is a mini-standing wave and not the continuum standing wave, which is rotational in nature with a beat of eight and is negentropic (Kinda hard to put the universe in a lab). Past that I can’t say, I’m not a mathematician nor do I care to be, nor am I sure that mathematics is relevant until it can be used to quantify the frequency domain. (a new mathematics, maybe?) The big hitch in the giddyup here is that you are using an artificial quantification to evaluate an interpretation of of a perception. Put another way, you’re measuring shadows of reality. You and Milo Wolff are without a doubt correct as far as you go, but it is only a beginning of understanding. You are at the Plato stage of real physics. Perhaps in a millennium there will be a Newton, and in another an Einstein. Should be fun. As I mentioned, my interest is in what the “big hootchie-koochie” is doing inside the skull. If you think the standing wave is impressive from your perspective, you should see it from mine.

The scalar product (the dot product)What does the product of two vectors mean? It must obviously be rather different to the product of two numbers. The answer is that it could mean anything that we define it to mean, provided that the definition is consistent. There would be no point in defining the product unless it were useful, so let’s see where we could use it.

Our universe, being subject to relativity, is not Euclidean. This becomes significant in theoretical considerations of astronomy and cosmology, and also in some practical problems such as global positioning and airplane navigation. Nonetheless, a Euclidean model of the universe can still be used to solve many other practical problems with sufficient precision.

Rotating Vectors

http://education.tm.agilent.com/index.cgi?CONTENT_ID=13

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Dali Time

Time is just the mind’s way of keeping everything from happening at once” – el Loco Gringo

This distinction between past, present and future is only an illusion” – Albert Einstein

Time is totally indistinguishable from directions in space” – Feynman

Time has no beginning, no end” – Steven Hawking

el Loco Gringo, Einstein are right. (Time is an artifact) Feynman is somewhat right. Hawking is wrong. I understand what’s happening. I know what time is. And it’s provable, by the scientific method. (not really, the scientific method is flawed, but it will prove it in the eyes of the idiots)

Go to www.ellocogringo.wordpress.com>letters to DrB>DB-20 & DB-21 (they’re expunged). The password is my first name spelled backwards. Let me know if this works and I’ll send another password. Else, I’ll deliver them. I figure I’ve got till the end of the year, the window is closing.

Reference www.everythingforever.com

also perceiving reality, secret-1 and secret-2 on that last SD. What I am positing is that time is an artifact. The implications are profound. I found the answer in the geophysical basket. The mind is INCREDIBLE. It is doing something that all the computing power in the world can’t do. RSVP walt

I may be crazy, but it’s kept me from going insane”

Squishy

“In spite of having successfully used analysis (i.e. “taking things apart”) as a powerful tool for centuries, science is converging on the nondual. Cosmologists seek a first cause for the universe. Physicists look for the ultimate constituent of matter. Neurophysiologists attempt to correlate physiological observables with reported experiences of nonduality. Transpersonal psychologists investigate the effects of these experiences on human mental health. Deep ecologists explore the potential consequences of nondual understanding on long term global health. Mathematics practiced with love and devotion has been described as communion with the nondual Divine.” – SAND


Hmmm! My mind has not been crippled by an education in physics so I may have a little more insight into the topic. Every physicist knows the universe is of a wave nature but no one understands it. Simply put, the universe ain’t euclidean. applying words like gravity, space, dimension to the universe is like saying that purple is fuzzy, and green is hard. it’s jaberwocky talk. However there are no words that adequately describe the nature of the universe so the best we can hope for is to append “what we perceive as” to all of the cartesian words. I use the word “squishy”. “gravity is a suishy word to describe the the wave nature of reality.” Anyone who can “prove” or ‘disprove” the universe using methods suitable only for a euclidean view hasn’t proven anything except that he’s an idiot. Append the aforementioned “what we perceive as” to all of the squishy words I use. Picture the universe as a snake eating it’s tail. Since the universe is infinite (at least from our perspective) and we aren’t we have to view the universe in “chunks” deluding us in to perceiving the snake as straight in the same sense that the earth gives us the perception that the world if flat. But the world ain’t flat and the universe ain’t straight. So we confuse our perception of reality with reality. What I call the Aristotelian Brain Fart. If we understand the universe ain’t straight, we also understand that the head and the tail are the same point in the same sense that if we understand that the earth ain’t flat we understand that measuring it with straight lines won’t work. understanding that the universe ain’t straight, may allow us to finally get past Plato in understanding. Vector math perhaps? dunno, I’m not a mathematician nor do i care to be. I haven’t read the 2? people you suggested yet, but if they agree with me they’re right if not they are wrong. Plato was right, Aristotle was wrong and science has been screwed up ever since. Instead of inquiry into the unknown by scientists it has become technical dissection of the known by engineers. It is not necessary for Joe sixpack to understand this, but for heaven’s sake a physicist should. Schrodinger’s close but he hasn’t worked the logic both ways. In order to make progress we have to learn to start thinking for ourselves and not dissect the concepts of others deluding ourselves into thinking we are moving forward.

Why can no one see the blue sky? Is this really so hard to understand? This is simple stuff. Try to take that tiny leap.  I weary.

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walt

The Snake

Mr T 08/07/10

<my feeling is that ‘intention’ is too small a drive. insofar as cognition is intentional, i think that cognitive engine is too small a notion.>

Again, depends on how small you define intention. The human mind is not the smallest unit of intention. Let me tell you what I thinks happening. It’s a theory I’ve had since 21 or 22, and have found no reason to change since. I’ll start with an observation. Question it if you will, don’t care. I have been aware since maybe 7 or so that we have two cognitive minds. Used to get me in a lot of trouble. My “best answer to date” is “We have two cognitive minds each with it’s own logical and perceptual processing, synchronous and modulated by intensity.” So as not to get tangled up in words, I will use cartesian words to describe the perception process and Aristotelian words to describe the thought process. Append “what we perceive as” or “what we think of as” where appropriate.

Consider the snake eating it’s tail as an analogy for the universe. Since the universe is infinite and we aren’t we have to envision it in “chunks” which gives the impression that the snake is straight in the sense that standing on the surface of the earth gives us the impression that the earth is flat. The minds are optimized for survival in a narrow window about midway between the mouth and the tail. The more we zoom in on this window the crisper this impression becomes and the more we zoom out the squishier it becomes. This “viewing reality in chunks” establishes artificial end points. Lets take your beloved hurricanes which are about midway between air and atmosphere (the endpoints) or mankind where the endpoints are the individual and society. These ideas are fairly easy to wrap our heads around but ignore all that falls outside of whatever tunnel we happen to be looking through. If we zoom all the way out we find that the mouth and tail of the snake are the same thing. Yet, we still act as if the snake were straight. We used to ascribe the obvious discrepancies to god, and now ascribe them to quantum mechanics on one end and parallel universes on the other or describe them in terms of probabilities or percentages forgetting that the snake ain’t straight and they are at the same point. Consider your question “is space making atoms or are atoms making space?” the answer is yes. It’s the same thing. They are both of a wave nature. The atom described in particle terms of electron and proton with the neutron a kludge to make the equations balance and pretend the snake is straight. The same at the other end with parallel universes or multi dimensions thrown in to pretend the snake is straight. But the snake ain’t straight. There are no multi dimensions. There is no 1st, 2nd or 3rd dimensions either. Back to intention which you picked as an endpoint for this particular discussion. Where is the other endpoint? (keeping in mind that the snake ain’t straight) I would say that the macro intention is the sum of the micro intentions. God? If you want to describe the universe in purposeful terms. They are equivalent. On the “intention” scale, we’re probably about midway.

The minds work the same way no matter which tunnel we’re looking through.

The snake ain’t straight

it ain’t real.

MCAS

Walt OPL

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Multi Mind

The Multi-Dimensional Mind


If the mind is holographic, ie governed by the math of chaos theory, it must be multidimensional. At least 4, probably 13. While I’ll leave that to the mathematicians, it’s still hard to wrap your head around the concept.. For my purposes I use 3 perspectives, the emotional, the frontal and the tandem. Keep in mind that we are really talking about patterns and very simplistic perspectives of them.

The tandem view was developed to find why people reject data and logic. It is a construct only, useful for visualizing activity in the mind. This view shows the mind as a single neural network, acting as a whole. It consists of the sensory I/O devices, the interface, the primal defense mechanism, dominant and sub-dominant algorithm, the ANN and the unANN. The algorithms are primarily redundant and irrelevant data discarding mechanisms. This explains why people reject data but not why they reject logic.

The lateral view was developed to find why people reject logic. It explores the synergistic relationship between the two hemispheres of the brain, specializing in determinate and indeterminate logic (binary & boolean). It illustrated that the logic problem was occurring because of an overlay of reductionist thinking on the right hemisphere, by both social and educational input.

The emotional view explores the emotional overlays which effect the workings of the mind. Ie Centering. Religion is quick to exploit this vulnerability, not necessarily to bad effect.

Problems in any of these areas causes a dysfunction in cognitive ability.

A major design flaw is there is no protection for a spin-out that can overwrite the wetware.

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Negentropy 2

The Negentropic Universe

“Conventional wisdom is always wrong” – el Loco Gringo

Einstein, Hawkings, Feynman, Giorbran, Heinlein, Sommerville, Wilson, Plato, Newton

The list of non-idiots in the area of determining the nature of the universe is depressingly short. Most were defenestrated. The Giants were Plato, Newton and Einstein.

The Universe comprises everything that physically exists , the entirety of space and time , all forms of matter and energy , and the … Wikipedia – Reality fail IE Bullshit

“Was Einstein crazy? Absolutely, but he was not crazy enough.” – el Loco Gringo

“Curiouser and Curiouser” – Alice

“Your theory is crazy, but it’s not crazy enough to be true.” – Niels Bohr

“In the end, there is only the vibrator” – el Loco Gringo Essence

“Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine.” – Sir Arthur Eddington

“Science Is one thing, wisdom is another. Science is an edged tool, with which men play like children, and cut their own fingers” – Arthur Eddington,

“Time has no independent existence apart from the order of events by which we measure it.” – Albert Einstein

“…for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one.” – Big Al

“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.” – Albert Einstein

“We view reality with interpretations of reality and don’t even realize that they are only interpretations. We see the lines on the map and don’t even realize we put the lines there.” – Robert Anton Wilson

“…to perceive what others do not perceive” – Mary Sommerville (That’s how she describes bottom up thinking)

“….but if each moment of ordinary time is a solid, static, “block of now”, or field of space, then time each new moment is a distinctly different universe. What we call time is a spatial direction that travels through many static three dimensional universes.” – Feynman

“The universe would be completely self contained and not affected by anything outside itself. It would neither be created nor destroyed. It would just BE.” – Giorbran

Perception is only an interpretation of reality. What we perceive is not what we see, and what we see is only a tiny part of reality, just evolved enough to let us survive. Even the perception is collated. This collated, perceived, seen, restricted data is then quantified with math, itself an artifact. We are five levels removed from reality, and think we are dealing with reality. But the universe doesn’t care what we think. It just keeps on existing. It is the river, the self organizing continuum. The negentropic universe. They even got that backwards.

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“The math is not the physics

The physics is not the interpretation

The interpretation is not the perception

The perception is not reality

Only reality is real”

el Loco Gringo


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